Special Counsel Robert Mueller has concluded his probe and decided there isn’t a proof displaying President Donald Trump colluded with Russia.
On this episode of American Thought leaders, Jason Meister, an adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign, says it’s now time to research the origins of the Russia collusion claims.
Meister says that Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, and the so-called Steele file should all be investigated so the nation can “heal and move on from this.”
Jan Jekielek: So again in February 2018—over a yr ago now—you wrote a column for the Epoch Occasions, and I’m going to cite one thing that you simply wrote which I assumed was fascinating. You wrote, “Mueller’s investigation is a total sham and the president should treat it as such. Mueller should be put to the test. Let him indict whoever he has evidence to indict and then pack his bags.” I imply, it looks like things have truly played out as you have been suggesting then. And what I need to know is, what makes you so positive of your end result at the time?
Jason Meister: Nicely, it’s a very good query. I feel that in the event you’re paying attention, when you’re consuming news from reliable sources just like the Epoch Occasions—you guys have been on prime of this story since day one—and I feel that it was simply my acute sense of the information and staying on prime of what was truly occurring. This was the best political scandal in American history. It makes Watergate seem like a nothing state of affairs. And it’s the story of our time. The truth that President Trump was capable of successfully win the election with this conspiracy principle type of pointed at him is just one of probably the most superb political feats in American history. So what a narrative that we get to talk about right now and eventually have behind us.
Jan Jekielek: So it was a very bold factor to say, I feel, especially given what we noticed and rather a lot of media again then, and so much of recommendations that Mueller goes to return in, he’s going to indict President Trump’s family, he is going to indict the president himself, and it’s simply moments away, the evidence is coming, the proof is coming. You went out on a limb and you stated, “Let this play out,” you recognize, “Let this play out. Let’s see what truly comes of it. And I feel there weren’t so much of individuals saying that.
Jason Meister: No. There undoubtedly wasn’t. But you possibly can tell.
Jan Jekielek: I imply, that believed he was innocent. Are you able to increase on that slightly bit? How is it that you simply had the braveness to be so unequivocal in this?
Jason Meister: Sure. Look, this was a outcome of not accepting the results of an election of a duly elected president, OK? There was no collusion. The American individuals voted for a president and he gained. He didn’t go to Russia. He went to the states that he wanted to win the Electoral School. And Hillary Clinton didn’t do this—she was inefficient in her insurance policies, there was felony conduct behind her. And so I feel that, actually, this was the end result of not accepting the outcomes of an election and that’s why this all unfolded.
Jan Jekielek: So let me learn a quote here. That is truly a tweet from the president. He wrote, “No collusion, no obstruction, complete and total exoneration. Keep America Great.” Is what we’re seeing really complete exoneration? I’m seeing, you already know, rather a lot of people not agreeing with that assertion out there.
Jason Meister: They don’t need to lay within the beds that they made for themselves. This can be a full exoneration of the president and his marketing campaign. This was a conspiracy principle that was pushed for two years. You had 2,800 subpoenas. You had 500 witnesses. You had 500 search warrants. You had 280 some-odd communications that have been looked at. You had 13 overseas authorities Intel investigations. This was an entire exoneration. It couldn’t get more of an exoneration for the president. This can be a nice day for the president. But now it’s time to take a look at how this all unfolded. What truly occurred? How did this investigation get open to begin with? That’s what the American individuals need to actually heal and transfer on from this.
Jan Jekielek: So President Trump has been saying all alongside, you understand—no collusion. I mean we’ve seen it a number of occasions. I assume my question is: What else do you assume he’s been proper on that the media don’t appear to know?
Jason Meister: The media don’t perceive lots. They’ve been pushing pretend information…
Jan Jekielek: Let’s say the legacy media because there’s definitely some media on the market.
Jason Meister: There’s some, however it’s very limited. Take a look at the Covington boy story. Take a look at the Jussie Smollett story. Take a look at the Russian collusion hoax story. I imply, when you just look during the last six months, every story one after the subsequent was pretend pushed. It was a narrative that the liberal mainstream media needed to push and brainwash People to assume one thing when the truth was the complete opposite.
And so they’ve taken an enormous blow. I imply this president is a pragmatist. He’s a problem solver. It’s not about, any longer, the Democrats or the Republicans. It’s about fixing America’s issues and making this country great again. And I feel that what the media doesn’t understand is that this president just isn’t an ideologue, and he’s not going to fit into a bit of field or into their narrative. And what’s occurred is many individuals have referred to as it Trump derangement syndrome.
Jan Jekielek: Right.
Jason Meister: So this can be a real thing. And it’s really just … it’s driven individuals to hysteria like the Russian collusion stuff that’s been type of put out there into the media in type of a brainwashing means—identical to the best way that they put the Smollett story or the Covington boy story. So I feel that it’s had a serious blow to the legacy media.
Jan Jekielek: So I assume this is variety of a chance for the legacy media to do some soul looking. What do you assume?
Jason Meister: Yeah I feel it’s time. I don’t know if it’ll truly happen, but I feel that we are at a moment in American history for some self-reflection and for some trustworthy reporters and networks to assume actually lengthy and exhausting about what has unfolded during the last two years, and do they need to exist, OK, because they may go extinct like the dinosaurs. No, significantly, I’m not kidding. You realize, social media, in some respects, has put a verify on the legacy media. And that’s why you had some of these tales that have been completely pretend fraud tales corrected by individuals—people that had social media accounts that … like a video digital camera like where the Covington boys have been they usually can see what truly happened. And what happens is that that video goes viral on social media, and then all People can see that what was being pushed upon them and what they have been being brainwashed with was utterly not true.
Jan Jekielek: So, and truly this so-called Trump derangement syndrome—it’s very fascinating to me because it type of suggests like an sickness, and that folks don’t actually know what they’re doing. I assume my question is: If you say, “Oh yeah, there’s Trump derangement syndrome.” Are individuals who have so-called Trump derangement syndrome, are they accountable for themselves in this? Is there something else that … you mentioned brainwashing … Are you able to unpackage this for me?
Jason Meister: Look I feel it’s driven the legacy media crazy. This president has pushed the legacy media crazy. In order that they develop into loopy. They lose sense of rational thought. They lose sense of information and …
Jan Jekielek: So this refers to media principally …
Jason Meister: Nicely, no, I feel that it refers to … I’m discussing the media now, however it’s the opposite aspect of the aisle—many Democrats have this Trump derangement syndrome. Many of my colleagues and lots of of my buddies have this Trump derangement syndrome. It’s a syndrome that … and I don’t blame them essentially, I feel that it’s this hysteria of wanting one thing to be true that’s not true because they need to get the president. They need to, you understand, impeach the president, they need to get the president. However in reality they will’t as a result of he’s accomplished nothing fallacious. And in order that’s what we see in this entire Mueller investigation and this report that came out.
Jan Jekielek: It type of sounds such as you’re placing the rationale for this hysteria, let’s say, past the media itself, a minimum of, into the palms of the media. Is that truthful?
Jason Meister: Properly, I feel the media perpetrates it and furthers it because individuals eat media they usually eat information. And if they’re consuming one thing that’s being put out by reporters with Trump Derangement Syndrome they’re not going to be getting details, they’re not likely getting actuality. Identical to you had the Jesse Smollett story or the Covington boy story the place they have been reporting something that was actually the other of what truly occurred. So I do put level blame in the direction of the media. I feel that the media needs to stay up to their lies. I feel that folks that eat the information, I don’t blame them as a result of that’s the news that they’re consuming they usually don’t know any better.
Jan Jekielek: Truly, I’ve heard so much and I keep in mind, you recognize, watching a sort of forwards and backwards on CNN with Chris Cuomo and Matt Schlapp about this where Chris Cuomo was speaking about “Oh, look the president lies, he lies,” and he just, you recognize, wouldn’t let Matt get a word in. And this seems to be a quite common, let’s name it a story, a standard statement. Yet, in this state of affairs, I imply, certainly there’s some evidence to help this entire Russia collusion factor? How did this all happen? Might this just be an entire and complete lie from the beginning? It’s simply onerous to fathom, I feel, for many of our viewers.
Jason Meister: Yeah, it’s very unlucky however it is a sham, OK. You principally had a pretend file, the pretend Trump file, which was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Nationwide Conference. It was then taken to the high-ups at the Obama administration. They then went to the FISA courtroom to get a warrant to spy on the opposition candidate and his campaign all, by the best way, personal U.S. residents. And that abuse of the FISA courts and that abuse of our system is what you’re seeing play out in this Mueller investigation—not one indictment of any single particular person. After two years of investigating—not one indictment. It’s an entire sham.
Jan Jekielek: Properly, there have been some indictments.
Jason Meister: Nicely, there was. But none of them, not one—and also you’ll hear this in the media that there was this indictment and that indictment—not one indictment having something remotely to do with Russia or collusion. And that’s an important factor to point out. They’re victims of Russiagate, which is the most important disinformation campaign in American historical past.
Jan Jekielek: What do you make of Lawyer Common Barr principally be given the license from Mueller to determine based mostly on the evidence, hey, was there an obstruction or not. What do you make of Mueller deciding to walk away from answering that query?
Jason Meister: I don’t make a lot of it. I feel that Mueller was the principal who carried out the investigation, and he’s giving it to a 3rd get together to type of read via it and then deliver the outcomes to the American individuals, and he did.
Jan Jekielek: So, and there’s rather a lot of individuals, truly, of all stripes politically which are calling for a full launch of the report. What do you make of that?
Jason Meister: I feel that’s nice. I feel transparency is a superb factor. I feel we’d like transparency to heal from this horrible collusion hysteria that’s gone on for two years. It’s ripped this nation apart. The media has dragged us by means of the mud, and I feel it’s time for transparency so that each one People can see the sham that it is.
Jan Jekielek: So that you’re variety of advocating for more investigation just to shift of the main target. Is that what I feel …
Jason Meister: It’s time for the actual investigation—the investigation into Hillary Clinton, into the DNC, into the pretend file, into the Steele dossier that created this complete mess, into Comey, into all of the perpetrators of this Russian collusion hoax. I feel it’s essential. We stay in a country where there’s the rule of regulation, and people who break the regulation must be punished for those laws that have been damaged. I feel that we have to as a rustic heal and work out how we acquired into the mess that we’re in. You possibly can’t just have a sham for two years—2,800 subpoenas, 500 witnesses, 500 search warrants—and not have any rational cause for that and not have any understanding of where that got here from and why we’re here as we speak.
Jan Jekielek: So, Senator Lindsey Graham, the top of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he appears to agree together with your idea that there ought to be investigation. He’s truly inviting Barr to testify. I also heard that Congressman Nadler can also be inviting the lawyer basic Barr to testify. What are your ideas?
Jason Meister: I feel that they need to come and testify. We should always hear what they should say—underneath oath. I feel that, once more, in order for this country to heal after two years of being ripped aside … and I truly do feel dangerous for those that believed on this nonsense. You recognize, individuals go about their lives daily—they go to work, they take care of their households. They’re not within the weeds on these things. And also you put on CNN and also you put on MSNBC, and it’s 24 hours-a-day full nonsense tales. For those who read—I don’t know the numbers—however the quantity of tales per day, I feel it was like 13 stories per day on this for the last two years. The American individuals have been brainwashed into believing an entire hoax. And I feel that in an effort to heal and get past this we have to really understand the truth. And the American individuals need to know the pretend dossier. How did we get a FISA warrant? How did Obama’s administration get a FISA warrant to spy on the opposition candidate? Just take into consideration that for a second. I imply that’s a banana republic. We’ve an election, OK, we’ve a Democrat operating and a Republican operating, and the sitting president of america of America on the Democrat aspect was spying on the opposition campaign and candidate for president of america.
Jan Jekielek: Allegedly.
Jason Meister: He was spying on it. No, no, we all know that there was wiretaps. We know that the FBI was wanting at the Trump marketing campaign. We know that there were telephone faucets and e-mail faucets. And why have been those phones and emails tapped? Because of the pretend dossier, which was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC. We have to get to the bottom of this. It’s a very critical matter. So I hope that the Republicans and I hope that the Trump Administration do.
Jan Jekielek: So you are feeling there’s some variety of reckoning coming? The rationale I’m asking it’s because I’ve seen rather a lot of variety of cynical chatter within the social media—so the narrative is we’ll simply shift and there will probably be some other issues maybe. You recognize, there’s all types of investigations, I feel 81 or one thing like this, totally different investigations which might be the really necessary factor truly, perhaps the Mueller report. The investigation isn’t that essential.
Jason Meister: That’s what they’re saying immediately.
Jan Jekielek: Yeah. And for those who people have stated nicely, wait a sec, this was two years. This is like you stated the most important deal, it’s a much bigger deal than Watergate. So it’s not going to go away so fast.
Jason Meister: It’s not going away quick. And the president and this administration has been targeted on the American individuals, on the financial system, on tax reform, and has been making America great once more from the time he’s taken his place in workplace. And he’ll continue to do so going forward. And by the best way, I feel that with this cloud off of him and his administration he’s going to do even higher than before. But I feel that it is crucial, it’s vitally essential to this nation that we get to the underside of how this all happened. How did this sham hoax, collusion illusion come about to begin with?
Jan Jekielek: So, you realize, it simply occurred to me that I feel there has even been Pulitzer prizes which were gained on the idea of reporting round Russia collusion. What does this conclusion mean for the media and the outlook for the legacy media?
Jason Meister: I feel that this past weekend with the Mueller report completely exonerating the president after two years of a pretend hoax it places the media in a horrible place. I feel that they’ve lost super credibility. I mean, they have been dropping credibility leading as much as this. However it was a serious blow. And I feel that folks … I imply, I can’t imagine. I was fascinated with this this morning as individuals have been getting up for work they usually have been getting dressed they usually put on the information like I did. How might you even placed on CNN, how might you placed on MSNBC and truly watch that. I imply, you may as nicely, like my youngsters watch Bugs Bunny. There isn’t a actuality to what was being pushed during the last two years. How might they’ve any credibility left for you to even give them a second of your time? And so I do assume it was an enormous blow to the mainstream media, principally the liberal mainstream media. I feel that it’ll have a huge effect on the 2020 race.
Jan Jekielek: Oh, yeah. So that’s truly the large query isn’t it?
Jason Meister: I’m positive.
Jan Jekielek: I imagine that the president might be discussing this exoneration for a minimum of a bit of time. Clearly, it’s extremely necessary for the American individuals to know what the Department of Justice thinks about all of this.
Jason Meister: Right.
Jan Jekielek: How do you are feeling the outlook modifications for 2020, or does it?
Jason Meister: I feel it does change lots. I feel that you simply had … nicely, first of all, on the one hand you had 2020 Democrat contenders which are vying for the nomination pushing this whole hoax for two years as properly—Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker. We’ve all heard quotes from them believing in this nonsense. So I feel that that’s going to have an actual influence on them. I feel I saw over the weekend Beto O’Rourke giving a speech someplace in a gymnasium and he was pushing the collusion delusion. So I feel that’s going to have a huge effect on the 2020 race. However I feel the broader thing that I see is the truth that President Trump ran on … that there’s this institution and he’s operating towards the institution. I feel that’s the broader theme. The media, the corrupt politicians, like what happened in the 2016 election, the pretend file—it’s all true. His criticism of the media being totally at odds with him and continuously giving him unfavourable press and leaping down his … operating towards him on the collusion stuff. It’s all feeding into what he’s been saying and he’s right about it and it’s a vindication. So I feel it’s going to have a huge effect in 2020.
Jan Jekielek: So there have been several individuals, even some very outstanding individuals, like, you recognize, the top of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff, DNC chairman Tom Perez. They’ve stated—I hope I’m saying this proper—however they’ve seen proof of collusion. I consider that one thing like that was stated by each of those individuals. What do you make of that?
Jason Meister: What do I make of it? We spent 35 million dollars. Like I stated earlier there were 2,800 subpoenas, 500 witnesses, 500 search warrants. There was no collusion. And Mueller stated in his report that there was no collusion between President Trump, his marketing campaign, and the Russians. So I feel that it’s such a shame that politicians on the highest levels of our government are, even after Mueller comes out with a report, saying these varieties of things and pushing this pretend fraud onto the American individuals. I feel we’ve had enough of it and now it’s time to get to the bottom of it.
Jan Jekielek: OK, so what would you advocate for people that have gone out on a limb and stated this, or do you assume there’s something that they’ve tangible that they obtained a maintain of?
Jason Meister: No. I mean they have nothing. That’s why we’re here where we’re in the present day. I feel that it’s a dereliction of their duties as who we’ve elected. I feel that it takes … again, it’s a serious blow to their credibility as individuals. They’ve been pushing this hoax for two years, and I feel that we have to examine what truly occurred right here. How did this pretend file that was paid for by Clinton and the DNC get into the arms of a FISA courtroom for a warrant. Who on the Obama administration knew about this and the way did they go about getting the FISA warrant? These abuses Devin Nunes has spoken out about during the last two years. I feel we have to get to the bottom of all that. And, again, I don’t assume People can heal till they get to the underside of it.
Jan Jekielek: Ostensibly, you already know, no collusion principally says no matter they used to get that spying within the first place was simply not enough. Because FISA warrants … it’s a really massive deal to get one of those issues, particularly for an American from what I understand.
Jason Meister: That’s proper. So, look, I feel that we do have some investigating to do. I feel we’ve already came upon lots about this pretend dossier. There’s a lot more to seek out out. But I feel that, once more, we reside in a rustic that has a rule of regulation and we have to stand by the rule of regulation, and people who break the legal guidelines in our nation should be punished for doing so.
This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.
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